The Republican presidential race erupted into rancor Wednesday as the
much-heralded YouTube debate immediately turned into a verbal brawl over
immigration reform and sanctuary cities.
The main combatants were two leading GOP contenders, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt
Romney. They took shots at each other on the night's first question, with
Giuliani fighting off Romney's characterization of New York City when he was
mayor as a "sanctuary" for illegal immigrants. Romney, a former
Massachusetts governor, had to explain why undocumented migrants tended his
yard, a situation that Giuliani called Romney's "sanctuary mansion."
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee also sparred with Romney over policies
that would help children of illegal immigrants pursue college scholarships.
Huckabee is locked in an increasingly fierce battle with Romney in Iowa.
Arizona Sen. John McCain even got into a heated face-off with Rep. Ron Paul,
R-Texas, over Paul's opposition to the Iraq war and overseas military
actions. Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., also took shots at rivals on
immigration reform, taxes and abortion.
It was by far the most heated and personal GOP debate yet, and it reflected
a realization that time is running out. The Iowa caucuses that formally
launch the presidential-nomination process are fast approaching on Jan. 3.
The debate also opened up a window on Huckabee, who may be breaking into the
top tier of candidates. He seemed to confirm that ascent with a mix of humor
and personal touches.
The Republicans were in Florida for the debate, but they answered questions
delivered from the unpredictable Internet world of YouTube.com, the
video-sharing Web site that is helping redefine political communication.
Moderator Anderson Cooper of co-sponsor CNN noted that the opening video
clip demonstrated that this is "definitely a new kind of debate." It showed
a man from Washington strumming an acoustic guitar and singing a song about
the contenders.
Political fisticuffs
Despite the novelties, it was a night of old-fashioned political fisticuffs.
The punches flew after Romney criticized Giuliani's contention that New York
City reported "thousands and thousands and thousands of names of illegal
immigrants who committed crimes" to immigration authorities.
"How about the fact that the people who are here illegally have violated the
law?" Romney said. "They didn't report everybody they found that was here
illegally."
Giuliani responded by hammering Romney over his household record. The Boston
Globe in 2006 reported on undocumented workers employed by Romney's
lawn-maintenance company. Giuliani said Romney lived in a "sanctuary
mansion" and did "nothing" about sanctuary cities in Massachusetts.
Romney shot back that Giuliani's suggestion that homeowners should demand
the papers of any worker "with a funny accent" is "really kind of
offensive" and "not American."
Giuliani said Romney's "holier-than-thou attitude" on immigration made his
yard workers fair game.
"It just so happens you have a special illegal-immigration problem that
nobody else up here has," Giuliani said. "You were employing illegal
immigrants. That is a pretty serious thing."
The vitriol between Giuliani and Romney, which persisted even after Cooper
tried to move on, made it easier for McCain to stake out higher ground.
McCain acknowledged that his push for comprehensive immigration reform
"failed" but noted that undocumented immigrants "need some protection under
the law" and "need some of our love and compassion."
"You know, this whole debate saddens me a little a bit because we do have a
serious situation in America," McCain said. "We need to sit down and
recognize these are God's children, as well."
Immigration topic hot
For McCain, immigration is a delicate subject.
His collaboration on a bipartisan immigration bill nearly upended his
presidential campaign this summer. Many conservative GOP activists strongly
oppose "amnesty," or what they perceive as benefits for illegal immigrants.
McCain's proposal included a pathway to citizenship and a temporary-worker
program. He since has tempered his position, promising to secure the border
first.
The crowd groaned a bit when McCain said, "We never proposed amnesty."
Romney also went after Huckabee over Arkansas legislation that would have
given the children of illegal immigrants who have spent their lives in U.S.
schools access to scholarships. "(Huckabee) basically said that he fought
for giving scholarships to illegal aliens," Romney said.
Huckabee responded, "In all due respect, we are a better country than to
punish children for what their parents did. We're a better country than
that."
Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., was loving the fireworks. His long-shot bid for
the nomination is based largely on his vehement opposition to illegal
immigration. "So far, it's been wonderful, because all I've heard is people
trying to out-Tancredo Tancredo," he said.
McCain slams Paul
The sparring over issues continued throughout the two-hour debate.
McCain slammed Paul over his belief in non-intervention abroad. Paul is the
only GOP candidate who steadfastly opposes the Iraq war. McCain cited his
Thanksgiving week trip to Iraq and said the troops want Paul to "let us
win."
"I want to tell you that that kind of isolationism, sir, is what caused
World War II," McCain said. "We allowed Hitler to come to power with that
kind of attitude of isolationism and appeasement." His remarks got a mix of
boos and cheers from the crowd.
Paul said his campaign gets the most donations from military personnel. He
said he is not an isolationist because he supports free trade and travel.
"He doesn't even understand the difference between non-intervention and
isolationism," Paul said of McCain.
McCain also jousted with Romney over whether to ban "waterboarding," or
simulated drowning, in interrogations of terror suspects. McCain is opposed.
Most of the YouTube questions were typical of other debates, including
topics on religion, gay rights, immigration and gun control. The one
questioner from Arizona, Eric Berntson of Phoenix, asked the candidates to
tell about their gun collections.
"I know how to use guns," said McCain, who carried a .45 as a Navy pilot
during the Vietnam War. "I don't own one now."
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Questions from Arizona
An unknown number of Arizonans submitted YouTube video questions for the GOP
debate in Florida on Wednesday night. A sampling of those submitted (and
still posted on YouTube):
* Cindee, of Phoenix: She used two Mr. Potato Heads, one with a top hat and
wad of bills, and the other with a hard hat and missing tooth, to ask, "If
you're elected president, what will you do to help lower-income people?"
* Andrew, of Scottsdale: He opened with a clip of a flaming video-game death
and asked, "How can you assure me that I will able to purchase any video
game without government restriction?"
* Ken, of Fountain Hills: "Dr. (Ron) Paul, why does the mainstream media
treat you as a persona non grata?"
* Nicholas, of Phoenix: "Knowing what we know now ... was invading Iraq in
2003 the right thing to do?"
* Two young women, unidentified, from Arizona: "What is a border fence going
to do to keep people from crossing illegally?"